From: Ann Barcomb Date: 12:54 on 18 Apr 2004 Subject: More Lotus Notes hate I've hated this program for so many reasons... Today I'm hating it because I'm at work and I'm trying to print a file. The printer appears to be inaccessible (probably it's turned off). Of course the cancel button doesn't work, so I have to go to the task manager to kill Notes since it isn't responding. Now I can't restart Notes, because it terminated in a way it didn't expect. My options are to restart the computer (I'm used to this, whenever I have to deal with Windows, so I would grumble but do it), _OR_ log out and log in again. Why, if that's all that is required to fix this alleged problem, can't Notes run the damn start-up/cleanup stuff itself? Is it going to gain something by me having to type in 5 passwords all over again (1 login, 1 Notes, 3 htaccess restricted websites)? I also have a gripe about the way that the printing is handled, since Notepad also freezes up when I try to print, and I have to kill it with the task manager since the cancel button doesn't work. But Notepad, to its credit, is willing to start again without giving me any of this shutdown crap. Wow, 20 minutes down the drain just trying to get something printed, and it still isn't printed. - A
From: Jonathan Katz Date: 15:31 on 18 Apr 2004 Subject: Re: More Lotus Notes hate On Sunday, April 18, 2004, at 06:54 AM, Ann Barcomb wrote: > Now I can't restart Notes, because it terminated in a way it didn't > expect. My options are to restart the computer (I'm used to this, > whenever I have to deal with Windows, so I would grumble but do it), > _OR_ log out and log in again. Why, if that's all that is required to > fix this alleged problem, can't Notes run the damn start-up/cleanup > stuff itself? Is it going to gain something by me having to type in > 5 passwords all over again (1 login, 1 Notes, 3 htaccess restricted > websites)? There is actually a way around this, but it can be another source of hate. Notes has a few ancillary processes which you can kill from task manager, and not have to login/logout again. It's a PITA, but it saves some time. After killing Notes not-so-gracefully hunt in task manager for an 'nthpdr.exe' or something similar (it changes with different versions of notes.) Once that's killed you can restart notes. Lotus Notes needs to die a horrible death, but even IBM won't put it out of its misery.
From: Daniel Pittman Date: 15:37 on 18 Apr 2004 Subject: Re: More Lotus Notes hate On Sun, 18 Apr 2004, Jonathan Katz wrote: > On Sunday, April 18, 2004, at 06:54 AM, Ann Barcomb wrote: > >> Now I can't restart Notes, because it terminated in a way it didn't >> expect. My options are to restart the computer (I'm used to this, >> whenever I have to deal with Windows, so I would grumble but do it), >> _OR_ log out and log in again. Why, if that's all that is required to >> fix this alleged problem, can't Notes run the damn start-up/cleanup >> stuff itself? Is it going to gain something by me having to type in 5 >> passwords all over again (1 login, 1 Notes, 3 htaccess restricted >> websites)? > > There is actually a way around this, but it can be another source of > hate. Notes has a few ancillary processes which you can kill from task > manager, and not have to login/logout again. It's a PITA, but it saves > some time. After killing Notes not-so-gracefully hunt in task manager > for an 'nthpdr.exe' or something similar (it changes with different > versions of notes.) Once that's killed you can restart notes. Our Notes admins, at a previous place of work, had a little utility on the desktop called 'Kill Notes', which would go through and kill all those ugly little things if their main process died. > Lotus Notes needs to die a horrible death, but even IBM won't put it > out of its misery. I feel that when the experts running the thing need that sort of utility often enough to make it one of the most visible things on the desktop, it truly underscores this point. Daniel
From: Ann Barcomb Date: 15:49 on 18 Apr 2004 Subject: Re: More Lotus Notes hate On Sun, 18 Apr 2004, Jonathan Katz wrote: > There is actually a way around this, but it can be another source of > hate. Notes has a few ancillary processes which you can kill from task > manager, and not have to login/logout again. It's a PITA, but it saves > some time. After killing Notes not-so-gracefully hunt in task manager > for an 'nthpdr.exe' or something similar (it changes with different > versions of notes.) Once that's killed you can restart notes. I didn't see this process in the task manager...but I think I could have a lot of fun randomly killing processes I don't know, trying to find it. I suspect I may have to reboot though. - Ann
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